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I revised a book and now there are two books out there that are same title but one needs to go away! I previously published under Ingram spark then created the same book with a few changes in amazon’s create space. I need to get rid of one book but don’t see a delete option…only editing seems to add to a saved book. please advise how to delete a book.

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Started by: Christi Love  • 

Hi Ruth,

Members are unable to permanently delete a book from the database, but you can go back in and save the one you don’t want to be listed as a “Draft” instead of “Publish” at the top and then hit SAVE at the very bottom of the editing window. I can go in on my end and delete the older title as well as long as it is clear which one is which.

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Started by: Ruth E Dellinger  • 

I did save it as a draft last night as i was trying to figure out how to get it out of there! i just looked at it and it is listed as the book that is Tangled Shapes Revised.  

probably a lot of this was my fault because i started with a book that was published thru ingram spark… i then later changed the cover of the book and added pages to the interior and set it up with a different isbn and published in CreateSpace.  

BUT, on your site i went back in to see if i could just change the cover (which i could) and then changed incremental things in the book listing like the isbn and the number of pages etc….   I should have written to you to start with and not tried to make the changes to the book….   so the book is out there twice… with now what looks like the same isbn and i am sure that is confusing to everyone!  

ultimately i want to get rid of three books that were published and don’t know how to do it…   first i published a book thru ingram spark (tangled shapes) then i published another through Balboa press called Tangled States which was a total bomb of a cover and bad experience all around with balboa… then published another book through ingram called Totally Puzzled.   Since then all those books have been republished with new isbn’s and new covers and interiors….. it’s the old versions of them i wish i could just get completely out of print and off the record! any help on how to do this would be appreciated.

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Started by: Christi Love  • 

If you saved it as a draft, it will still show up on your account so you can access it to edit or re-publish if you wish, but no one else will be able to view it (except site admin). I will have a look and remove the old listing.

As far as expunging your older versions entirely, as long as there are editions out there (including those w/resellers) they will still show up on Amazon and elsewhere. The best thing to do is just to make sure the new/preferred versions are clearly described as the updated/improved (or similar) edition. Then you’ll want to make sure those listings have enhanced SEO so they will come up on searches preferentially. There are posts in our blog archives about how to optimize your retail book listings.

There also should be a way to ensure that the POD printers you contracted with remove those titles from being available to order. I’m not sure how to do that, but they should be able to tell you. If the ISBN’s are yours, (something we always recommend) you should be able to dictate whether it will continue to be available for purchase or not. This is an interesting issue and I’m going to present it to our team of industry experts to see if any of them can offer suggestions.  I’m sure there are other authors who have similar dilemmas.

It’s easy to update with eBooks, but print books are another matter.  I can help you with your BookWorks listings, though.

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Started by: Ruth E Dellinger  • 

Thanks so much…  I will maybe go into my identifiers through Bowker and see if I can move the older versions to an out of print status!

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Started by: Christi Love  • 

Let us know how you make out…I’ve put out the call to our team, but if you find out useful information, please share it so other authors can benefit…that is the main reason BookWorks exists, so indie authors don’t have to figure everything out on their own.

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Started by: Penny Sansevieri  • 

Ruth: Try calling Amazon – seriously. Start with Amazon Author Central and they can guide you to exactly what you need to do. They are your books, you CAN pull them off of Amazon if you want.

Hope that’s helpful!

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Started by: Ruth E Dellinger  • 

thanks so much… i plan to give author central a call!  I did write to someone at balboa the other day but haven’t heard back from them.  that doesn’t surprise me about them however…i had nothing but a horrible experience with them from front to back on getting that book published, not to mention a lot of $$ they basically robbed me of in the process…it was money spent to learn a lesson i guess! thanks for your help.

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Started by: Ruth E Dellinger  • 

“well…  here is what i have learned from my call to Author central just now.  …  highly frustrating first of all due to the representatives difficulty in speaking clear english…

but in the end he says that the books will be out there regardless of me telling Ingram to ‘retire’ the book even if i tell bowker to retire the book…  that they have ‘marketplace sellers’ that will continue to sell my books… 

And, even when i said, ‘ok…they are print on demand books and they will no longer be printed by Ingram/Lightening Source so they won’t really be available they should be removed from Amazon so that potential customers don’t try to buy a book that i want removed from their site.’ 

I told him it was essentially like having garbage cluttering up the site since the book will no longer be available…  but even still, he says it will continue to be out there on the amazon site.   My next move will be to go into the Ingram site and try to remove any images of the book out there…maybe a blank page will signal to a buyer that the book is not there…

i don’t know, but i wish i had never followed Robin Cutler’s advice to have my books published in more than one place… one on Create Space and also published by Ingram.  As for Balboa, i can do nothing but work with them to retire the book but sounds like it will also still be out there in the amazon market place!  

So… that’s what i know for now.

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Started by: Christi Love  • 

Yes, Amazon is also a marketplace for book resellers.  I have a children’s book that has been out of print for years, but it’s still available used and every now and again a new copy surfaces on a reseller site. That and old reviews can crop up if someone searches the title because the internet is forever.

Nonetheless, you should be able to stop the flow of POD copies.

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Started by: Carla King  • 

Also, Ruth, if you applied your OWN ISBNs – you can deactivate them on your Bowker ISBN record. But Balboa (Author Solutions) doesn’t allow you to use your own ISBNs, so you’ll have to call Balboa and tell them to deactivate/remove/delete the books

But before that, you should call them and ask for all your book files in InDesign and Photoshop, etc.

  • This reply was modified 2 years, 5 months ago by Profile photo of Carla King Carla King.
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Update

Started by: Ruth E Dellinger  • 

Got a message from Ingram Spark this morning that they will take two of my books out of distribution that I have redone… that will help if Amazon next takes them down once they receive the info from Ingram Spark. 

Just thought I would let you know what the outcome of that was since we had been discussing it.

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Started by: Christi Love  • 

Thanks for keeping us informed of your efforts and results, Ruth!

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Started by: Theresa M Moore  • 

With Ingram Spark you need to email their support dept. and describe the book (title, ISBN, etc.) you want to cancel. Once that is done, the book will be removed from distribution.

To remove it via Createspace you just unpublish and remove the cover, description, etc. CS will get it. The book will be listed on Amazon as available until you go into AuthorCentral and mark the book as out of print. That’s the only way to do it.

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